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When you say "Israel" in your first point, are you speaking of 10-Israel or Judah (and Israeli Jews)?

It should be understood that not ALL of Judah has returned to the Land, now modernly called "Israel". Much of Judah still lives in the United States of America (who I consider Daughter Babylon). 10-Israelites are also in the midst of the United States. Jeremiah 50 indicates both Judah and 10-Israel would be in Daughter Babylon when she is destroyed. They will then leave weeping and looking for Zion.

Furthermore, descendants of the House of Judah and the House of Israel can be found all over the Middle East... even today. Many of them actually "think" they are Arab and/or Muslim.... or Persian... or Turkish... or Pakistani, etc...  

10-Israelites have also converted to Judaism (Jewdaism) in antiquity and in modern times. So a sub-segment of 10-Israelites are hiding in plain view within the genetic Jewish population (y-Haplogroup R most notably). 

The Falasha Jews are controversial of course... just like the entire subject of Judah and 10-Israel is controversial. Some think the Falasha descend from Danites. Some think they descend from Judah and/or one of Solomon's sons. Some think they descend from Levites. Some think they were non-Israelite Jewish converts. Some think they were Christian converts who embraced many Jewish-like traditions. Some think they are mixture of all of the above.

We don't really know for sure. Even in the realm of genetics, we are uncertain of the realities. Most all of the 'authorities' who interpret the genetic data are sold out to the Primary Axiom of Darwinism (and its variants) and they interpret everything from an "Out of Africa" and "extremely old humanity" paradigm. 

What we do know is that the world (both new and ancient) is a much smaller place than we are generally allowed to perceive from the Darwinist cave-man worldview. The ancients traveled and mixed much more extensively than most of us are willing to give them credit for. They were NOT Geico insecure cave-men retards.

In regards, to your second point. Your family ancestry consists of thousands and thousands of branches of humanity that mixed and mingled in one of the most culturally unstable regions of the ancient world. How can you possibly "know" with complete certainty some of your ancestors do not descend from Abraham? And even if you aren't connected to Abraham physically, of course there is nothing wrong with being drawn to Israel or Judah and/or their El and His Ways.

Caleb and Ruth are two notable examples of non-Israelites being drawn to the El of Abraham, Isaak, and Jacob. Their and other non-Israelite mixing only contributes to the genetic mystery that disparate world-views are trying to unravel.

Last Updated on Saturday, 12 December 2009 23:10  
This is a comment on "10 Proofs "the Jews" are from Judah"
Comments (4)
Comment: We are grafted in. Trouble not yourself, you are an Israelite
1 Monday, 14 December 2009 13:14
teom
In the weigh scale of this subject all these issues of genetics and ancestry are balanced by the fact that we are grafted in. Trouble not yourself, you are an Israelite. Hello brother!
Comment: Not all ten Israel is repentant.
2 Wednesday, 23 December 2009 22:47
shiloh2020
Not all ten Israel is repentant. I think that the parables of Yahushua in the 'new testament' speak in truth about these days we are in right now. In reading what Yahweh says he makes distinctions between the 'House of Israel' and the 'whole House of Israel'. When the Lord says "in that day, many will come in My Name saying Lord, Lord...." He is describing 'christians'...and when He says to them..."get away from Me, I never knew you..." He's saying just that, what I believe is an admonition of them for not following Him but rather being 'wicked'. What is wickedness? It seems that wickedness is spiritual harlotry, or idolatry. Modern people are very sophisticated in that they hide their idols in their ceremonies, but it is not so far fetched to think that the Israelites, both Judah and 10-Israel, did the same thing. The prophet was told to dig under the temple to find them. So...although I am not the most erudite or the most smart person I know I believe I am getting the point across here. It seems to me that we, those of us truly repentant in heart are trying to 'wash our robes clean'. And since it seems that everything is by 'appointment' or 'moed' meaning on a time schedule, then our washing of our robes is also on a time schedule. The first thing anybody wants to do when climbing up out of the mud is to get clean. You don't want to climb into the really nice car with dirt and mud all over your body and clothes. so, since coming out of exile, we are trying to get clean...we are washing our robes. I remember something being said about that in the 'new testament' about washing our robes clean and being without spot or wrinkle.
Comment: 10-Israel conversion to Judaism
3 Wednesday, 23 December 2009 23:02
Shiloh2020
My opinion on conversion is that for the descendants of the House of Israel 10 tribes it is not possible. The House of Israel ten tribes was not only sent into exile but was also divorced. What that means is that since the 'woman' went after other partners she is not allowed to return to her former husband. In the 'real' world that means we were put out of the covenant and since we were out of the covenant there was no remedy for sin. Probably a lot of Israelites moved to Judea over the years, being familiar with the customs and knowing the language and they probably fit right in, but Yahweh knows every hair on your head and so He also knows every single person and their geneology. Yahweh guards and keeps His law and lets no one escape it. So, no one of the house of Israel 10 tribes had remedy for sin until Yahushua. With the Lord holding wide the door for salvation for the lost sheep of the house of Israel He also holds that same door open for anyone who claims Him as Messiah and He saves them also by virtue of them being grafted in to the house of Israel. Yahweh is the one keeping score....not the 'teachers or the rabbis'. However, look what yahweh says about the House of Judah...that if it weren't for the righteous she would have been divorced as well. Yahushua says that He did not come for the righteous. The 'righteous' of the House of Judah are found in the book of Luke, chapter one, I think. They are the Karaites of today. Since rabbinical judaism is mixture of man's customs and commandments with the Torah, the rabbinical/talmudic/orthodox jews are practicing a form of syncretism, much like christianity with their use of pagan symbols. (just my opinion)
Comment: Delusion
4 Wednesday, 23 December 2009 23:19
shiloh2020
One last point here, and hopefully the moderator doesn't get tired of my hoggin the space, and it is this. I can walk down the street totally naked under a great delusion that I am decked out in the best of threads, but the sad truth is I am not. The great delusion about the so-called conversion of members (or their children) of the house of Israel is that it is all in your mind. Yahweh is the One who forgives, not man. We do not order His steps, it is He Who orders ours. The devil, in the garden did an evil thing and as a result 'we' came away thinking we knew the difference between 'right and wrong'....we still think so today, but in praying the Lord's prayer yahushua says just the opposite. He says we are to pray, ..'Thy will be done'...meaning Yahweh's will in our lives. If we truly knew what is truly good and evil we wouldn't need to pray that prayer...Yeah, we do have free will...in games we play...like football or soccer or something...Yahweh doesn't play those games....who then could win if He did. So, the delusion of our supremacy is just that...a delusion. We can not just decide to go back, not after the Father has said we can not go back. Anyone speaking against the Father's rule is deluded.

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