Yeshua, Yehoshua, or Yahshua?
Soooo... yesterday I was accused of being a "teacher lacking discernment" because I don't write or say Yeshua's name as "Yahshua". Honestly, I was more intrigued by this person's reasoning than I was offended by the conclusion that I'm lacking discernment.
By the way, I willingly joined the LDA group a long time ago (LDA=Lacking-Discernment-Anonymous).
If I'm following this reasoning correctly, since I don't write or say "YAH-shua", I'm in essence removing the Father from Messiah's name... thus I'm violating some commandment or paradigm that forbids I do this. Basically, it is as if the spelling of "Yahshua" is a litmus test... to determine whether or not I really have discernment and whether or not I'm a true follower of "Yahshua". Am I understanding this correctly?
The Verse (typically whipped out like a barbed-wire of Truth):
John 5:43 "I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him.
My question is this: Joshua had the same name as Yeshua/Jesus (the best evidence is that they were both called "Yehoshua" in Hebrew... in the long-form). Now... did Joshua also come in "the name of the Father"... since his name was the same as the written Hebrew name that Messiah came in?
Joshua's name and many other Hebrew individuals had part of the Great NAME of YHVH in their names... for example:
| Hebrew | Anglicized | Hebrew | Anglicized | |
| YeHo-shua | Joshua(*Jesus) | Yesha-YaHu | Isaiah | |
| YeHo-hanan | John | Eli-YaHu | Elijah | |
| YeHo-shaphat | Jehoshaphat | Yermi-YaHu | Jeremiah | |
| YeHo-zabad | Jozabad | Tsidqi-YaHu | Zedekiah | |
| YeHo-ash | Jehoash | Athal-YaHu | Athaliah | |
| YeHo-achaz | Jehoachaz | Hizqi-YaHu | Hezekiah | |
| YeHo-iakim | Jehoiakim | Yoshi-YaHu | Josiah | |
| YeHo-nadab | Jehonadab | |||
| YeHo-ram | Joram | Hebrew | Anglicized | |
| YeHo-seph | Joseph | Miyke-YeHu | Micah | |
| YeHo-tsadaq | Jehozadak |
*The name "Jesus" isn't truly an Anglicized form of Yehoshua, but Joshua certainly is.
Did all of those men come in the Father's Name the SAME way Yeshua came in the Father's Name (as depicted in John 5:43)? I dare say... there was something different about YeHo-shua... which went beyond just the way we spell, perceive, and/or pronounce His name.
The Father is still in Yeshua... no matter if I or you or anyone else spells His name Yeshua, Yehoshua, or Yahshua. He knows and the enemy knows who we are talking about.
Please think more critically and put away the barbed-wire!
Hanok ben-Isaak
P.S. By the way, I'm not upset or offended... just occasionally perplexed and confounded... not-to-mention, humored. However, this is just one example of how difficult it is to exist and fellowship within the Hebraic-roots community. Anyone else looking forward to the arrival of Eliyahu? Phew! =)
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July 8th, 2010 - 10:43
Okay, just off the top of my head- and going back to our teaching/instruction manual…
According to Numbers ch. 6 Aaron and his sons were instructed to “bless” the sons of Israel. How were they to do this? By speaking this blessing over them:
“Yahweh (or however your denomination deems it be “properly” spoken) bless you and keep you; May He make His face shine on you, and be gracious unto you. Yahweh lift up His countenance on you, and give you peace.”
“THUS (emphasis mine) they shall INVOKE (e.m.) MY NAME on the sons of Israel and then I will bless them.”
So apparently they had the NAME of Yahweh “invoked/put” on them at that time. Were they all walking around calling themselves Yahshua/Yeshua/Yehoshua/Yahoshua……. If so, that’s a LOT of people with the same name.
Come on guys, let’s walk in the mercy and love He bestowed upon us a great price and walk in that love for one another. Uniformity is not unity. Uniformity is the current mess we find ourselves having left called “denominational-ism..”
Sheesh, pride goes before a fall… let’s start doing justice, loving mercy and walking humbly with our God. In HIS NAME- (all pun intended) When we have perfected that, let’s go forward from there.
This man, Hanok, is not your enemy. Can we please start focusing on our real enemy and go at his jugular rather than each other’s? We might find that much more productive at getting to our goal…
Judith, a servant on the path of The Way
July 8th, 2010 - 11:47
Thank you for adding your thoughts, Judith! =)
July 8th, 2010 - 12:27
What most Christians fail to realize is that there is a difference between the historical first century Ribi Yehoshua ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) and Jezus desribed in the “gospels” (Jezus is not an anglization of Ribi Yehoshua, read more in “History Museum” in the below Netzarim-website).
A logical analysis (found in http://www.netzarim.co.il (Netzarim.co.il is the website of the only legitimate Netzarim-group)) (including the logical implications of the research by Ben-Gurion Univ. Prof. of Linguistics Elisha Qimron of Dead Sea Scroll 4Q MMT) of all extant source documents of “the gospel of Matthew” (which is a redaction of Netzarim Hebrew Matityahu (which was perfectly in harmony with Torah) and anti-Torah) and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical.
It is important to distinguish the two polar-opposites – the authentic, historical, PRO-Torah 1st-century Ribi from Nazareth and the 4th-century (post-135 C.E.), arch-antithesis ANTI-Torah apostasy developed by the Hellenists (namely the Sadducees and Roman pagans who conspired to kill Ribi Y?hoshua ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah), displaced his original followers Netzarim and redacted the NT). (Source: http://www.netzairm.co.il)
July 8th, 2010 - 16:33
Guess that makes me an honorary member of the LDA too… WOW! I finally made a list!!
P.S. Also, in Rev. 19 we see this:
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
Let’s be very careful in assuming we KNOW His name before HE reveals it.
July 8th, 2010 - 19:13
Judith, thanks for adding that scripture from Rev. I used to think The Name HAD to be pronounced one particular way, then I found “evidence” for another way, and then another way…we are in a process of learning…”precept upon precept” and “here a little, there a little” we have to stay humble.
Mr. Hanok, yes, I AM looking forward to the arrival of Eliyahu!! Please let us know if you see him.
Has his spirit not preceeded him though? John the Immerser came in his spirit and taught people to repent/teshuva…I’m seeing more and more people turning to keeping the Father’s commands and having the witness of Yahshua. Blessings, Angela
July 8th, 2010 - 19:58
Angela,
Certainly! I believe Yeshua actually said something to the effect… that Eliyahu has come and will come… and will restore all things. He didn’t elaborate on what ALL meant, but I think it would suffice to say that all has not yet been restored… yet. =)
July 8th, 2010 - 21:56
Let agree that the Father is smarter then we are!
Let’s agree that the Father knew His Name will be Corrupted, Erased and wrongly translated!
The Tetragrammaton ‘YHWH’ occurs 6,828 times in the Hebrew text.
So why is the NAME still troublesome?
Why? Because we haven’t gone back to the ORIGINAL language, Palo Hebrew is not the ORIGINAL language.
And until we get this foundation correct we will forever be debating what we should call our Father.
I submit to you He knew His Name will be Corrupted, Erased and wrongly translated!
So what did He do to ensure His Name will be found?, not by the 6,828 Tetragrammaton ‘YHWH’ but by the ORIGINAL language. Those who are seeking He will give.
July 9th, 2010 - 09:48
When I got saved, I didn’t even know there was such a name as Yeshuah, Yahshua, Yehoshua, etc. I received the Savior by the name ‘Jesus,’ the language I grew up within. Give God more credit. He’s GOD of the universe, for heaven’s sake. HE knows who we are talking about. It is the meaning and context behind the name – the PERSON we are referring to after hearing/reading the gospel/story of the Messiah God responds to. All this business about the Messiah/Christ’s ‘real’ name is interesting but ultimately bogus. With the gift of tongues on Pentecost, people praised God in their OWN tongues/languages. That gift CAME from God. Is there now a “shibboleth” test that people will be marked off or penalized in heaven for not using the Hebrew or Aramaic name of Jesus? Grow up, people. : ) I basically agree with the author of this website.
July 9th, 2010 - 18:27
YeHo-shua anglicized is Joshua…….
‘jesus’ is but the “imag”ined name pagan catholicism gave to one head of their three headed pagan g-d less than 500 years ago ;-(
Precedent was set prior to The Messiah’s birth in “the likeness of sinful flesh” when
the greek ‘iesous’ in the greek septuagint was used for the Hebrew name YeHo-shua and translated into english as Joshua…….
July 14th, 2010 - 09:48
Thank you for the input, Francis. I’ve updated the anglicized name table to reflect this reality. I should have done it before.