Comments on: Worldwide Biblical Zionists http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldwide-biblical-zionists/ ...because both houses matter! Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:28:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Tom Lewis http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldwide-biblical-zionists/comment-page-1/#comment-3766 Tom Lewis Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:21:03 +0000 http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldwide-biblical-zionists/#comment-3766 Shalom David, No, do not be too hard on yourself. Yes, pray for your friend. I was in Israel (home) for the WBZ Inaugural Tour and Events. There are definitly conflicting accounts of the leaders that were and are involved. I will say that there were some untruths (lies) told by some. I won't get into the details here. I and most I know that were on this tour were greatly blessed by YHWH / Yeshua on this tour. We were clearly spoken to. The message is to purify our hearts and come when called with thanksgiving, praise, a heart of a servant and ready to see the might of our Elohim. Pray, Pray, Pray and Pray some more. Especially as our own country slides into more serious rebellion of YHWH's ways. Tom Shalom David,
No, do not be too hard on yourself. Yes, pray for your friend. I was in Israel (home) for the WBZ Inaugural Tour and Events. There are definitly conflicting accounts of the leaders that were and are involved. I will say that there were some untruths (lies) told by some. I won’t get into the details here. I and most I know that were on this tour were greatly blessed by YHWH / Yeshua on this tour. We were clearly spoken to. The message is to purify our hearts and come when called with thanksgiving, praise, a heart of a servant and ready to see the might of our Elohim.
Pray, Pray, Pray and Pray some more. Especially as our own country slides into more serious rebellion of YHWH’s ways.
Tom

]]> By: David Nowlin http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldwide-biblical-zionists/comment-page-1/#comment-3749 David Nowlin Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:18:51 +0000 http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldwide-biblical-zionists/#comment-3749 Shalom Hanok, Yes, I have read it and I have heard conflicting stories on who was at fault. One of the three persons I mentioned above is still involved with the organization and is presently preparing to move his entire congregation to Israel. This concerns me because one of my closest Messianic brothers is also preparing to move himself. He is closely tied to the above person but assures me that he was not influenced by him. I am concerned because my friend is 70 years old, in poor health and this will wipe him out financially and he will have to obtain employment for either himself or his wife to live in Israel. The brother assures me he is following the leading of the Ruach HaKodesh and I have no right or reason to judge his word. I have prayed for him and will continue to do so and I will just have to trust YHVH on this one. If I push the matter any further I may harm my relationship with this brother. However, this is the reason I am so burdened about this organization. If they are wrong and it is not of the Lord, many lives can be ruined or at least badly disrupted. Please join me in prayer that the Lord will indeed put a veil of protection over His children regarding this organization and issue. If it is truly of YHVH, I know He will reveal it to all His children. Not just a few here and there. If there is indeed to be second exodus I believe it will be a little more dramatic than getting on El Al a few at a time and flying quietly to Israel. I believe YHVH will us it to get Glory to Himself and show the world that there is an Eloheim in Israel. If I am wrong, may YHVH forgive me and may someone please chastise me and point me in the right direction. David Shalom Hanok,
Yes, I have read it and I have heard conflicting stories on who was at fault. One of the three persons I mentioned above is still involved with the organization and is presently preparing to move his entire congregation to Israel. This concerns me because one of my closest Messianic brothers is also preparing to move himself. He is closely tied to the above person but assures me that he was not influenced by him. I am concerned because my friend is 70 years old, in poor health and this will wipe him out financially and he will have to obtain employment for either himself or his wife to live in Israel. The brother assures me he is following the leading of the Ruach HaKodesh and I have no right or reason to judge his word. I have prayed for him and will continue to do so and I will just have to trust YHVH on this one. If I push the matter any further I may harm my relationship with this brother.
However, this is the reason I am so burdened about this organization. If they are wrong and it is not of the Lord, many lives can be ruined or at least badly disrupted. Please join me in prayer that the Lord will indeed put a veil of protection over His children regarding this organization and issue.
If it is truly of YHVH, I know He will reveal it to all His children. Not just a few here and there. If there is indeed to be second exodus I believe it will be a little more dramatic than getting on El Al a few at a time and flying quietly to Israel. I believe YHVH will us it to get Glory to Himself and show the world that there is an Eloheim in Israel.
If I am wrong, may YHVH forgive me and may someone please chastise me and point me in the right direction.
David

]]> By: Hanok http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldwide-biblical-zionists/comment-page-1/#comment-3748 Hanok Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:00:09 +0000 http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldwide-biblical-zionists/#comment-3748 The situation with Chumney, Bell, and WBZ is all very unfortunate. Many were right when suspecting close affiliation with the Talmudic proponents in Israeli government as being suspect and dangerous (such as your Messiah's name frustration). Judah also sees affiliation with us as dangerous, but that is because we disrupt their religious system of control in a similar way the Karaites do. To them, letting Messianic and/or Ephraimites "in" means there could be a great rebellion of people questioning the enactments of the rabbis as Yeshua exemplified in the Gospels. Did you already read the <a href="http://jewsandjoes.com/statement-concerning-joel-bell-and-worldwide-biblical-zionists-by-eddie-chumney-monte-judah.html" rel="nofollow">Statement Concerning Joel Bell and Worldwide Biblical Zionists</a> by Eddie Chumney? The situation with Chumney, Bell, and WBZ is all very unfortunate. Many were right when suspecting close affiliation with the Talmudic proponents in Israeli government as being suspect and dangerous (such as your Messiah’s name frustration). Judah also sees affiliation with us as dangerous, but that is because we disrupt their religious system of control in a similar way the Karaites do. To them, letting Messianic and/or Ephraimites “in” means there could be a great rebellion of people questioning the enactments of the rabbis as Yeshua exemplified in the Gospels.

Did you already read the Statement Concerning Joel Bell and Worldwide Biblical Zionists by Eddie Chumney?

]]> By: David Nowlin http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldwide-biblical-zionists/comment-page-1/#comment-3744 David Nowlin Sun, 15 Mar 2009 03:18:52 +0000 http://jewsandjoes.com/blog/worldwide-biblical-zionists/#comment-3744 WBZ has written what the call their "ten commandments of WBZ. One of the 10 mentions "King Messiah." I was present at the Portland Oregon Conference when this was introduced. When I inquired of one of the leaders there who was speaking in support of the WBZ and as a part of it, why the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach was not used, I was rebuked and told that "You have a log in your eye.". I later e-mailed another prominent Messianic leader who was at the conference and ask why the Name of Yeshua is not being used instead of some generic reference to an anointed king. I was told that the subject of the Name is a very complicated one and he did not have time to answer it properly. I e-mailed still another of those chose as a leader in WBZ in America and I received a lot of quotes from Jewish sages. I have not mentioned names of any of these self proclaimed "leaders" in the Messianic movement because I do not wish to be guilty of lashon hara. But, I do have a little to say about it. Even if it is true that I have a log in my eye, I can still see well enough around that log, and have adequate spiritual sight to know that to deny the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach is not something I am willing to do regardless of how great a leader tells me it is acceptable. Also, I cannot and will not be a part of any organization that would tip toe around the use of my Saviors Name just to please Jews who find it offensive. Others may find it an acceptable practice and I will not judge them for it, but as for me and my house, when we enter Eretz Yisra'el it will be with shouting the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach! May He be praised. David R. Nowlin Redmond, Oregon WBZ has written what the call their “ten commandments of WBZ.
One of the 10 mentions “King Messiah.” I was present at the Portland Oregon Conference when this was introduced. When I inquired of one of the leaders there who was speaking in support of the WBZ and as a part of it, why the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach was not used, I was rebuked and told that “You have a log in your eye.”. I later e-mailed another prominent Messianic leader who was at the conference and ask why the Name of Yeshua is not being used instead of some generic reference to an anointed king. I was told that the subject of the Name is a very complicated one and he did not have time to answer it properly. I e-mailed still another of those chose as a leader in WBZ in America and I received a lot of quotes from Jewish sages.
I have not mentioned names of any of these self proclaimed “leaders” in the Messianic movement because I do not wish to be guilty of lashon hara. But, I do have a little to say about it.

Even if it is true that I have a log in my eye, I can still see well enough around that log, and have adequate spiritual sight to know that to deny the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach is not something I am willing to do regardless of how great a leader tells me it is acceptable. Also, I cannot and will not be a part of any organization that would tip toe around the use of my Saviors Name just to please Jews who find it offensive. Others may find it an acceptable practice and I will not judge them for it, but as for me and my house, when we enter Eretz Yisra’el it will be with shouting the Name of Yeshua HaMashiach! May He be praised.
David R. Nowlin
Redmond, Oregon

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