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Questions regarding Khazars, Ashkenazi Jews, the Rothschild family, and DNA

The following questions were recently asked of me regarding the Khazars, Ashkenazi Jews, and the Rothschild family.

  1. Yair Davidiy indicates that the Khazars were Israelites.  Is his research on the subject of the Khazars reliable?  I know he is well-respected in regards to two-house history.
  2. Is it possible that the Rothschilds hail from the Khazars and adopted the Hebrew faith more for political reasons than belief similar to Constantine's adoption of RCC.
  3. Is Ashkanazi Jew synonymous with the Khazar?

My less-than-perfect answers:

1.) I'm not certain how reliable Yair Davidiy's Khazar ideas are, although I respect and agree with many of his views on Two-House history. If memory serves me well, I do believe he thinks of the Khazars as being more mixed with Ephraimites than with Japhethites... which I would tend to agree with... but Jew-dah, Ephraim, and Japheth... and possibly others... were mixed and intermarried in the Caucasus region where the Khazarian Kingdom was later formed. Even today, that general area of the world is quite varied genetically. It is difficult to really know for certain what genetic population made up the Khazars (because we don't have a modern "living" Khazar to test), but I do have a suspicion that y-Haplogroups R were the majority (thus Ephraim was most likely in the majority... in my view). yHg Q, N, I, and J were very likely in the mix also.

2.) The Rothchilds likely have more Judah/Jew-dah in their genetic ancestry than Ephraimite, but they are certainly mixed (just like the rest of the world-wide Jewish population). Go to FamilyTreeDNA, enter "Rothschild" in the surname search tool in the upper-right corner, click on the Rothschild project (currently has 17 members) link, and then click on the "Y-DNA Results" link on the left. You'll notice the "J2" haplogroup as very common in the male Rothschild testees... which is also very common in most Jewish populations... as is yHg R (which actually resembles Ephraimite injections, as I alluded to before and else where).

Mayer Amschel Rothschild was born in a Jewish ghetto... and his ancestry certainly appears very Jewish... as I'm sure many of the readers here will know. And I'm sure many are also aware of  the accusation that the Jews (including the Rothschilds) descend from Khazars who "aren't really Jewish". Even if the Khazars were ancestors of the Ashkenazi, but were not Israelite originally, this does not mean they are "fake" necessarily. The Torah permitted non-Israelites to join the assembly and the nation if they were willing to submit to the Elohim of Israel and His Torah. Anti-Semites are largely ignorant of this reality, but still use the possibility as a means to discredit modern-day Jews. Personally, I'm curious what spirit the anti-semitic accusers are driven by.

3.) I do NOT think "Ashkenazi Jew" is synonymous with "Khazar". The Sephardic Jewish population apparently had less Khazarian influence (although that too is debated) but yet they have many similar genetic anomalies. The presence of the Cohen Modal Haplotype (suspected priest DNA) is found in both Jewish populations, the Sephardic and Ashkenazi, not to mention the Lemba of Africa. Maybe the occurrence is linked to the tribe of Levi being scattered in all the tribes... I'm not certain... but linking the words Ashkenazi Jew to Khazar is by far too simplistic and agenda-filled (usually done by Jew-hating nazis) to really be taken seriously (in my view).

Khazaria Map from 600 until 850 Furthermore, I was just discussing with a friend about how all the tribes have had elitist / ruling classes that poorly represented their people and tribes... or maybe perfectly represented them in some cases... but nonetheless... whether or not the Rothschilds (and other tyrannical banking families) are Jewish or Ephraimite or non-Israelite or mixed... should not necessarily reflect poorly on the remnant of Jews and Ephraimites who seek to please Yah by walking in His Ways and desiring to return to His Land to serve Him. There are those who do Yah's will and those who break His will in almost every people group (or family) on the face of the earth, correct???

Kind regards,
Hanok

P.S. If I hear of any genetic study being done on what is thought to be the ancient human remains of a Khazarian, I'll be sure to post the news on this blog. Will keep my eyes and ears open.

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  1. I’m in total agreement with what you have stated concerning the Khazars. Surely, these are racists that try to demonize the Jews. Now that DNA testing has proved that the Ashkenazim are true descendents of Israel, they still won’t give up. They are the new flat earthers and should be ignored.

  2. Many medieval writers attested to the Khazars’ Turkic origins including Theophanes, al-Masudi, Rabbi Yehudah ben Barzillai, Martinus Oppaviensis, and the anonymous authors of the Georgian Chronicle and Chinese chronicle T’ang-shu.

    Hanok, I agree that R and Q were probably among the Y-DNA haplogroups that the Khazars had. Those are found among numerous Eastern European, Central Asian, and Northern Asian peoples. Since Ashkenazic Jews have less than 20 percent of their Y-DNA from these two haplogroups, and since most of their haplogroups stem from the Middle East, we must conclude that Khazars represent only a minority of Ashkenazic ancestry.

    Khazars were NOT Israelites. My book “The Jews of Khazaria, Second Edition” documents all of this.

  3. And who or where do you think the Turks are from?

    From the whitepapers that I’ve studied, the Ashkenazi population is about 22% y-Hg R and 5% y-Hg Q.

    The Sepharidic Jewish population (although less tested) is closer to 34% y-Hg R

    R seems to be second only to y-Hg J within male Jews. y-Hg E comes in third… which I believe was a very early but fruitful African/Egyptian assimilation.

    Hanok

  4. There are some contradictory statements here about the issue of Ashkenazi “Jews” and the Khazars. In my research I’ve discovered that there was a large contigent of Israelites (from the Northern Kingdom), who migrated to the region of Armenia prior to the Assyrian’s conquest. This is the very area where the Khazars were later identified. Therefore, I believe that it is very likely that the Khazars were of Israelite descent in large part. It’s also confusing the way the term “Jew” is used – Jews are a subset of Israelites, they were one of twelve tribes. It appears today that Israelites are broadly identified as Jews, which is not accurate. It also appears that the Scythians and the Goths have genetic connections to the ten tribes of the Northern Kingdom, and many were either taken to, or migrated into the Parthian Empire. At any rate, I have some different ideas about this subject if you’d be interested in hearing about them.

  5. I agree with much of your perspective, Bob. However, it is probably good to clarify that the Jews aren’t just representative of the tribe of Judah, but more accurately the Kingdom of Judah, which included Benjamin, Judah, Levi, and remnants of other tribes who assimilated with them at various points. Yet, some of Judah was also deported to Assyria with the Northern Kingdom, meaning remnants of Judah are represented currently by people who don’t necessarily think of themselves as Jewish or Hebrew, but our found with the so-called “Lost” tribe nations. =)

  6. the spirit the ‘anti-semitic’ people are driven by is this: if you cannot trace your ancestry to a particular land, can you calim it to be your home? For example, if a person in Malaysia converts to Roman Catholicism, can this person claim land in Italy?

  7. Considering Jews are genetically ‘gifted’ with higher intelligence normally – you demonstate the lower ape in yourself.

    The Rothschilds+close related famillies are on a different planet to the rest of the Jews and are guilty of funding/making money out of all sides during WW2!
    They even kept banking facilities open in Paris for Nasti officers!

    Don’t start the whining anti-semitic bollox when Rothschild families enter the picture (they have proven previous) – OK!

    We are living in amazing times – Think
    if you were particularly develish and a Global ‘string puller’ wouldn’t you surround yourself with the mega-Rothschild riches?

  8. The Jews thought to be descended from the Khazars are mostly identified as haplotype R1a1. Of these R1a1 about 50% are thought to be of Levite lineage. The Levite class represents only a small portion of the Jewish population. So it well may be that the Khazars were Jewish, but conversely, very few Jews are descended from the Khazars. The Rothschilds of the Frankfurt Judengasse are NOT Levite. So far no one from this particular branch of the Rothschild tree has tested their dna. I know for a fact that those in this project have no known connection to the House of Rothschild.

    As Jews didn’t formally have surnames until the early 19th Century, it wasn’t uncommon for someone to take the surname of a maternal line if that name had more prestige than the direct paternal line. The name Rothschild came from a house in Frankfurt known as the Red Shield (or Roter Schild). So anyone who lived in this house might take this as their surname. The Rothschilds, who can trace their ancesty back to the 16th C in the Frankfurt ghetto were NOT a wealthy family until late 18th Century.

    So the answer to question #1 that the Khazars were likely Jewish, but more likely Levite than Isrealite. The answers to your second two questions are absolutley no!

  9. I just read a lengthy meta-analysis of a variety of DNA studies of Semitic populations including Khazars, Cohanim and Levites. The author, Ellen Levy-Coffman, presents a very compelling case for a stronger European/Khazarian influence in the Ashkenazi population than has previously been reported.

    Check it out at http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm

  10. Ashkenazi Jews hail from Khazaria. A land NOT Jewish before the crusades. Logic would state that if Khazarians were somehow originated with early Israelites then they as a nation would never need to ‘convert’ to Judaism. Does a Jew convert to a Jew? No. Nice try at trying to fix history. Ashkenazi Jews are the destroyers of Europe, how? In what spirit am I talking? I will explain and you will understand. There is a worldwide movement of Zionism, and this movement is run by Jewish gangsters. Meyr Lansky, Stalin, the Bolsheviks, Leon Trotsky, Nazis- all were Zionist agents that were sent by Zionist controlled western powers to destroy Russia and Germany. Two very nationalistic countries that were never Jewish to begin with. Once Zionist controlled Britain disposed of the Czar and his family and Rasputin they took over using 300 Brooklyn Jews, like Mr Trotsky, to spearhead the Red Bolsheviks. These peoples destroyed Russia through crime and embezzled Russias money and used it for the worldwide Jewry movement. Zionism is not Judaism. The Rothschild family is related to the Ashkenazi Jews- to say they are from a Jewish ghetto is very misleading. I see what you are trying to do. Sephardic Jews on the other hand are Semite blooded, although mixed today, they are closest to biblical descendants and related to the Palestinian and Arab peoples. Let me pose a question to you now. If you accuse me of racism I will turn it back around on you with a question. Who above all else is favored in Israel? The Ashkenazi Jews yes? I have heard this from other Jews so do not play games with words. WHo also has brought Israel into existence? The Rothschild family. Ashkenazis supporting Ashkenazi’s see. Very racist in Israel indeed against other Jews, Blacks, Muslims, Palestinians. Ashkenazi Jewry is a 5th column in any country, spread about by secret societies, gangs like the Shin Bet, and supported financially by the Rothschilds financial empire that has destroyed every nation it has ever touched. What nations today can you tell me are NOT a part of the Rothschild empire? Two were Iran and Libya. You see what is happening there? Time for good Jewish people to wake up and take a stand against this beast, it is the cause of world war 1 and 2. It is the cause of all wars ever since. Stop playing the race card and look in the mirror. It is you playing the games.

  11. Ephraimites, in exile living for hundreds of years in the region that would become Khazaria, were not “Jewish” in nature or culture or custom They were however Hebrew, or 10-Israelites. The very reason they were exiled is because of their idolatry and their embracing of pagan customs, hence they became like pagans and lived like pagans in exile… hence there may indeed be a cause or reason for “conversion”.

    A Joe, do you also believe Jews poisoned all the wells in Europe, causing the Bubonic Plagues?

  12. My sister read and therefore believes that the Ashkenazi were the sole seekers of a home in israel. She states they were not originally Jewish but rather had to convert due to the ruling of some emperor, like Constantine had the people of Istanbul convert to Christianity. She uses this to stoke her hatred for the people of European Jewish history demanding a homeland in Palestine. I am shocked by this stance and would like an easy to understand rebuttal. Thank you. Bona

  13. Idea for world peace.

    We all call ourselves Jews.

    Then, any war would be anti-Semitic and could not happen.

    What do you reckon!

    We are all children of God and chosen by God.

    How does that sound?

  14. The newest DNA science finding is from Dr. Eran Elhaik and associates at the McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. In research accepted December 5, 2012 and published by the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society of Molecular Biology and Evolution, it was found that the “Khazarian Hypothesis” is scientifically correct.

    What exactly is the “Khazarian Hypothesis?” Simply stated, it holds that the Jewry genome is a mosaic of ancestries which rise primarily out of the Khazars.

    Jews are Khazars, not Israelites.

    Elhaik in an interview with Haaretz, Israel’s daily newspaper. “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. Their genome is largely Khazar.”

    “There are no blood or family connections among the Jews,” said Dr. Elhaik in an interview with Haaretz, Israel’s daily newspaper. “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. Their genome is largely Khazar.”.

    http://www.texemarrs.com/042013/jews_not_descendants_of_abraham.htm

  15. 1 John 2:21-26 (KJV)
    21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
    22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ (jews et al.)? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son (jews et al.).
    23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father (jews et al.): (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
    24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
    25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
    26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.


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