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   Matthew
   February 3rd, 2010 - 17:19

   Right on Hanok! =)
   I know ppl will just believe what they want to believe but how do you let some one know tht USA IS MB of Rev. and Babylon of Jer.? Americans are sooooo BIG-Headed when it comes to telling them there is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRE-trib rapture or tht USA is Mystery Babylon. Love your views and agree with all of them. Now if you can tell me why I feel uncomfortable spiritually for worshipping on Sunday, you get a prize! Thank you and keep up the great posts!
   PS, how can one tell if they have 10-Israel or Judaic blood running through their veins?
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   Hanok
   February 4th, 2010 - 22:29

   Honestly, I feverishly resisted the “America is Babylon” view for a long time… because the “RCC is Babylon” view was deeply embedded in my religious psyche… not to mention the American big-headedness that you mentioned… which I also was quite sick from. Ultimately, Tim McHyde, R. A. Coombes, and a few others help convince me otherwise.

   How can one tell if he/she is a blood 10-Israelite or blood Jew? Well, that is a very complex and controversial topic… some of which is tangled up in semantics or phraseology. For instance, the founder of FamilyTreeDNA will basically say that scientists can’t truly tell if a person is genetically Jewish, but they can tell if a person has Jewish ancestors. That issue in particular basically comes from their view that many non-Israelites married into the faith of Judaism at various times and various places… and their genes were passed down to the current Jewish population (which happens to be very mixed and often resembles their non-Jewish host populations).

   In my view, many of those so-called “non-Israelites” that married into and/or converted to Judaism over the last 2700 years, were in fact Ephraimites in various mixtures. For example, there is a huge population of Jewish men represented by y-Haplogroup R. This is a super-haplogroup I believe is directly descended from Ephraimite populations who “filled up” Europe, Central Asia, and India (by various migration routes). I go into much more detail about this here: Israelite and Noahic Haplogroup Hypotheses.

   Thanks for the comments, Matthew!
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   Leonard
   February 8th, 2010 - 13:03

   Double check me on this I have not verified it. But, my understanding is the Roman Catholic Church has a small number of resident Jew’s within Vatican city. To maintain the prophecy of the remnant.
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   Hanok
   February 8th, 2010 - 13:38

   Only a remnant of Jews live there now. If Vatican City was destroyed, there would only be a remnant of a remnant to survive (likely less than a few handfuls I suspect). But where the USA is concerned, there is a myriad of Jews (surveys have estimated more than 5 million).

   Not to mention the other realities… such as the USA having numerous deep-water sea ports, a consumer driven economy that would hurt the entire world if removed, and a military that is the defacto policeman of the world. Those and many other items can not possibly be attributed to the Vatican.

   However, the Vatican does play a significant role in the religious system of the USA and the EU (not denying that)… and of course there are other RCC influences, such as politics, education, etc… some good (such as the pro-Life movement), and some not so good (pedophilia, paganism, etc).
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   Jon Felix Adlawan
   March 1st, 2010 - 09:03

   Hi Tim…You are self creating a problem which is NOT a Problem..You ,Me does NOT have the Answers!! The word of God cannot be CONTROVERTED..Waiting and Patience will be our side. Glimpses are what you and me are SEEING…However the VIEL of Prophecy is rolling ..but in God’s pace and time! Making impatient COMMENTS have lead so many in the Wilderness of disappointments and heresy(Millerites,Rutherford,Smith and Young..etc..)JFA
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   Mutcake
   July 18th, 2010 - 20:54

   God speaking through the prophets has condemned Israel as a whore Is. 57:3, Harlot/murderer Is. 1:21 Fornicating wife Ez. 16:15, old in adultery Ezk. 23:43 Played the harlot Jer. 3:8 16:15 etc. etc. etc. Long before there was a RCC! The RCC is just one of her daughters! By the time of Christ the House of Israel was so steeped in Baybylonian mysteries (Traditions of the elders) through Talmudic teachings of the Pharisees they had absolutely lost their way from God! The fact that the 2 prophets in Revelation go to Israel (The great City …called sodom and Egypt) Should give you a clue ( In which also their lord was Crucified!) Jerusalem does indeed sit on 7 hills (travel brochure). In her is the Blood of the Prophets, Apostles, and saints. Yet she always gets a pass from us loving Christians. She sits (lives) amongst many waters (nations) and was called “clay” by God in the old testament. Bablyon is a system/nation/religion who wear the star of their God “Molech”. Read Acts and the stoning of Stephen. In her are the murders of the whole earth! Rev. 18:24 . In our time this system was responsible for the deaths of over 100million mostly Christians! Assasination which started WWI, Institution of communist take over of Russia 1917, Death of the Csar and family (Christian) Starvation of russian population, Murder of Serbs, Communist take over of China, etc. etc. etc. We never hear about these crimes against humanity ever! It’s so popular to speak out against christians but not about Mystery Babylon. The destruction of the Russian peoples brought about by this system (Financed by American and European bankers aka Wall Street) was exceedingly brutal as the death toll reached over 40million and the true amount will never be known. The modern day Palestinians are being systematically slaughtered to the last men woman and child while we christians says its okay they are terrorist! (Most are Christians not moslems!) When Antichrist comes to Israel (As prophesied by our Lord) you will see the true face of Mystery Babylon! The RCC was just a conduit. Her orders were all infiltrated (Jesuit, Knights Templar etc.) by Mystery Babylon, they did most of their best killing for her.
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   Mutcake
   July 18th, 2010 - 21:15

   Israel is the Great Whore! Always has been and will be judged by God in the end times. God has always spoken of her this way. That’s why she is called “MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT”! Revelation was written in code so as to protect Christians of the day! We will have to do the same soon. It is not wise for me to be posting this! But it is necessary. Now do your home work and search the scriptures, this will all make sense. If you can see the Lord fighting against the “Temple cult” of his day “Scribes and Pharisees Hypocrites”, why…because they were teaching the people the (Traditions of the Elders)(Oral traditions of the Talmud of Babylon) Why do you think that Israel was filled with demons and evil spirits at every turn. The Prophet Ezekiel was shown by God that they were even worshiping false (Babylonian) Gods in and under the Temple. Search Your Bibles. Why do you think they want under the temple mount today? We had better get this right. Most of you know there is no Pre-trib Rapture. This is a Good start. But it’s just a start There is much to do. Our walk with Christ and love for our neighbors is of the utmost importance.
   The Mystery of Iniquity is already working. Soon God will send the delusion to cut off those who refuse to believe! We must win as many souls to Christ as we can, Time is short! I pray for My Christian brothers in Israel both Jewish and Palestinian.
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   Hanok
   July 19th, 2010 - 07:40

   Mutcake!
   #1. The modern Jewish nation of Israel is not the House of Israel. It is the House of JEW-dah. You quoted Jeremiah 3. You should actually read it. It calls both the House of Israel and the House of Jew-dah (two sisters) adulterous. You need to OPEN your eyes and put your Jew-dah hatred aside. Our house and their house has much to repent for. Please see my article: 10 Proofs “the Jews” are from Judah.

   #2 The Scriptures indicated that mystery Babylon will be destroyed, never to be inhabited again (Isaiah 13:19-22; Jeremiah 50:12-13; Jeremiah 51:26,29). How then is Jerusalem the capital of this Mystery Babylon if Jerusalem is the Eternal City… the city where Ezekiel’s Temple will be built (Ezekiel 40-46)? Again, you need to OPEN your eyes. Mystery Babylon is elsewhere, but she does have massive influence over the current Jewish nation. Please see my article: Traits of End-Time Babylon(s)

   #3 The Star of David is not the star of Moloch. It was derived by the two star-shaped bookend Dalets of David’s name. Please see my article: The Origin of the Star of David. Just because various pagan groups may have adopted the Star as their own, doesn’t mean the Star itself was originally pagan. Pagans also walk upright and on two feet, but walking upright and on two feet is not a pagan practice.

   #4 Palestinians are not predominantly Christian… nor are they systematically being slaughtered. You’ve been watching too much Al Jazeera and Hamas propaganda. The refugee crisis that currently exists is exasberated by neighboring Arab countries who refuse to allow them to be assimilated. Furthermore, this notion of Palestinians is a figment of the West’s imagination. Palestinians are simply Arabs… and these Arabs live more healthful lives in Israel proper than they do under PLO and Hamas controlled territories.

   #5 The RCC was not infiltrated. It was an infiltrator itself. It co-opted the Way of Messiah and turned it into another way. It was/is an agent of Lucifer and his mystery religion… and it has drunk the blood of both JEW-dah and 10-Israelites… but it is largely just the “religious arm” of Mystery Babylon. It isn’t exclusively MB on its own.
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   Hanok
   July 19th, 2010 - 07:52

   MUTCAKE!
   I agree, predominantly “Israel is the Great Whore!” …she is also known as the United States of America… which is predominantly made up of both Jews and 10-Israelites (Jer 50:4)… but largely rebellious (prodigal son) Ephraimites. Britain and Europa, her mother, is also a great whore and also makes up many 10-Israelites. Britain (and most of Europa) will mourn when her daughter is destroyed (Jer 50:12) and a remnant of Israel and JEW-dah will survive and go together to Jerusalem (that place which you mistakenly thinks is MB). This is what Jeremiah 50:4-5 and several other similar prophecies indicate. If Jerusalem is destroyed forever (Jeremiah 51:26,29), how can Israel and Jew-dah return to a place that is no longer inhabitable? Hmmmm?.

   Mutcake, the Christian religion itself has enormous influences from Babylonian-type cultic traditions, such as Christmas and Easter, etc…

   The Book of Revelation was not written” to protect Christians”. It was written as a rebuke to various remnant assemblies (usually mistranslated as Churches) that have existed at various times… but primarily… to those in the End Times… those who keep the commandments of Elohim and have the testimony of Yeshua Messiah (Rev 12:17)…. which is largely not the mainstream Torah-less Christian population of today, but a remnant within those populations who are persecuted for keeping the commandments and/or keeping the testimony of Yeshua (btw, since Yeshua observed the Torah, that was part of His testimony in of itself). =)
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    Kaye
    November 25th, 2010 - 21:00

    Whore of Babylon most fits Jerusalem, but seeing that she will be left desolate and uninhabitable, it couldn’t be Jerusalem proper. During the millenium, the males of all nations will be required to come to Jerusalem to worship before Yeshua three times a year (might consider that if you don’t keep these holy days now). Considering that NYC/Wall Street rules the world, and considering most of the Wall Street bankers and the people controlling the world are Jews who are of the synagogue of Satan, everything applied to the whoredoms of Judah/Jerusalem could easily be applied to NYC, considering the bankers own the American government/Washington DC and by proxy the other governments of the world, which we all know belong to Ha Satan anyway. Wall Street bankers and their puppet American government have waged wars around the world on innocents (the humble, the poor, the blood of the saints), causing CIA-backed uprisings all over the world. Remember, wars = money for the oligarchs who are mostly, well, you do the research. I believe that Judah and Israel will reunite in the Holy Land, so this is not antisemitism. I believe the predominantly Jewish bankers/Wall Street are very much the whore of Babylon spoken of by the prophets and in Revelation and considering NYC is their home base, I believe it could very much be NYC who is the surrougate Jerusalem and becomes uninhabitable.

    That the RCC is the whore was started by Herbert Armstrong when he predicted Europe would rise to world power and, of course, since the Vatican is in Rome, and sits on seven hills (Jerusalem does too and if you consider it’s a worldly prophecy, so does the US by sitting on 7 continents), then voile, a prophecy in the making. Most of the splinter groups from the Worldwide Church of God also believe that Europe is going to rise to power and are sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for Europe to bring forth another Roman Empire. Personally I believe the United Nations/NATO will ring in the fourth beast government that the antichrist will come to rule.
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    UnprofitableServant
    December 23rd, 2010 - 15:29

    Greetings,

    Mystery Babylon cannot be either the Vatican or Jerusalem for the reasons listed below:

    1) The Vatican cannot be Mystery Babylon because “Come out of her MY people.” can’t and doesn’t fit. Unsaved Jews, Israelites or Gentiles would never be referred to by God as “MY people.

    The Vatican worships another jesus and God would not refer to such as, “MY people.”

    2) Jerusalem cannot be Mystery Babylon either as Jeremiah states:

    Jeremiah 51:50 You who have escaped the sword, Get away! Do not stand still! Remember the Lord afar off, And let Jerusalem come to your mind.

    Why would they let Jerusalem come to their mind if it was just destroyed by fire as shown in Revelation 17 and 18?

    Spiritual food for thought.

    God Bless all who love the Lord Jesus Christ

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