Things “One-Housers” hope You never find out!

If you don’t already know, a “One-Houser” is someone who denies that there remains a Two House/Two Kingdom reality of Israel in modern times. They view “the Jews” as exclusively representing all 12 tribes of Israel. Their world-view/paradigm is basically opposite to that of a “Two-Houser”, which is better defined here: Two House Theology (Reality) defined and defended.

So here are some things “One-Housers” hope you never find out (you’ll rarely ever hear them mention these things when they accuse Two-Housers of “lies”, “error”, “heresy”, and/or “bad exegesis“):

Please Note: “Two-Housers” will one day be “One-Housers” also, but that transition will only take place after the-Anointed Son of David (Ha-Mashaikh ben Dawid) unites both Houses into One House, or One Stick as Ezekiel 37 prophesies He will do in the Last Days. We are in the Last Days, so that transition and this battle of world-views will be over SOON! Halleluyah!!

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Were the 10-Tribes of Israel ever really “LOST”? (Part-1)

The Song of Moshe (Moses) indicates that 10-Israel would ultimately be forgotten to history because they neglected and forgot the Rock, the El, that delivered and preserved them in former times.

Deuteronomy 32:26 “I have said: I blow them away, I cause their remembrance to cease from man;”

During a conversation with Moshe, יהוה gets angry with Israel and threatens to blot out their name from history, but then decides against it.

Deuteronomy 9:24 “Let Me alone, that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven; and I will make of you a nation mightier and greater than they.’”

Many hundreds of years later, the patience of יהוה runs out and He accomplishes the threats mentioned to Moshe previously. He allowed the Assyrians to bring a devastating end to the Northern Kingdom of Israel and over the next 2700 years, the 10 Tribes of Israel become commonly known as “the Lost 10 Tribes of Israel”. Yet, even though the Prophet Hosea indicates the Northern Kingdom would cease to be “a people”, they are promised to become a great multitude and promised to be remembered again as “the People of El” in the Latter (Last) Days. Read it for yourself:

Hosea 1:9-11:
(9)And יהוה said, “Name him Lo-ammi, for you are not My people and I am not your El.”
(10)Yet the number of the sons of Israel will be like the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered; And in the place where it is said to them, “You are not My people,” it will be said to them, “You are the sons of the living El.”
(11)And the sons of Judah and the sons of Israel will be gathered together, and they will appoint for themselves one leader, and they will go up from the land, for great will be the day of Jezreel.”

Hosea 2:23 “I will sow her for Myself in the land, and I will also have compassion on her who had not obtained compassion,
And I will say to those who were not My people, ‘You are My people!’ and they will say, ‘You are my El!’”

Apparently Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) also considered 10-Israel to be “lost” at the beginning of the First Century CE:

Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.”

Mark 10:5-6 These twelve Yeshua sent out after instructing them: “Do not go in the way of the gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; (6) but rather go to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.“

Most Christians who read the above verses perceive this “lost” state as something just figurative or spiritual, without considering the possibility that the House of 10-Israel was both spiritually and physically “lost”. Those ignorant of the Two House reality of course think of just the Jews (the Southern Kingdom of Jew-dah). Yet, an interesting study is this: To what regions or peoples did the Disciples of Yeshua go to in the years following his death and resurrection? They followed his orders and went to lands inhabited by the scattered and lost sheep of 10-Tribe Israel. Yet this begs the question: How could 10-Israel be “lost” if the disciples knew where to go to find them? One could argue they knew the general directions or general peoples of scattered Israel. They were certainly not “lost” to the Great Shepherd, Messiah Yeshua, but most of their populations likely did become lost to themselves. The disciples were the fishermen prophesied in Jeremiah 16:16 and Yeshua said he was going to “make them fishers of men” (Matthew 4:19).

Note: as shown by the Prophet Hosea earlier, “the peoples” of the dispersal aren’t to be remembered as “Israelite” or “the People of El”, but Flavius Josephus indicated they dwelt in the regions of Scythia, Saka-India, Media, Persia, Parthia, etc… regions apparently known to the disciples. For more details and references, see “Fate of the Apostles” on the Christian Classics Ethereal Library website.

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Using the DNA of Saka-related peoples to find the Lost 10 Tribes of Israel

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Genetics and Ancient History (especially Parthian-Saka-Scythian history) are extremely complicated and riddled with speculation and assumption on almost every level. Even so, the two fields of study are quickly becoming synergistic allies in the search and discovery of the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel.

Parthian-Saka-Scythic-related peoples are by far the most probable candidates for being descendant of those 10-Tribes of Israel scattered and deported by the Assyrian Empire between 740-722BCE. The list of reasons is too long to innumerate fully here, yet a short list of the thought pattern is provided below:

There is no doubt the founder of these peoples was a founder of a “multitude of nations”. The mysterious question is: Who was this Founder? We believe he wore a “Coat of Many Colors”!

This thought pattern is outlined in greater detail in Israelite and Noahic Haplogroup (DNA) Hypotheses.

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Palestinians descended from Northern Kingdom (10-Tribe) Israelites?

Not long ago I was doing some Google keyword research and came upon an article claiming that the Palestinians are the best modern representation of the ancient Northern Kingdom-House of Joseph, otherwise known as the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel. Perplexed at the author’s ignorance of the historical account and the prophecies regarding the 10-Tribe return, I emailed him asking a couple quick questions which later became a much more lengthy dialog. Some may find it interesting. I realize the author has not and likely will not truly consider my critique of his evidence, but hopefully others may. Not wanting my time spent to be completely wasted, our correspondence is laid out below for others to read from start to finish (I’ve removed my and his email addresses for privacy reasons). It is a bit lengthy and not for the faint of heart.

————Original Message————-
From: Hanok [mailto:…@jewsandjoes.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:51 PM
To: …@lycos.com
Subject: Israel and the Palestinians in Prophecy?

Just read your article here: http://www.angelfire.com/journal/bibleissues/israel/israel_palestinian.htm

I’m curious how you reconcile the prophecies that the House of Joseph (Israel) would become a multitude of nations? The Palestinians have certainly not become such. Also, prophecies record the House of Joseph would be brought back from the four corners of the earth. Have the Palestinians recently been re-gathered to the Land of Israel?

-Hanok
JewsAndJoes.com

“And I shall strengthen the House of Jew-dah, and I shall save the House of Joe-seph. And I shall bring them back, because I have compassion on them.” - Zechariah 10:6a

————Original Message————-
From: Jerry Chin [mailto:…@lycos.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:22 PM
To: …@jewsandjoes.com
Subject: [RE]Israel and the Palestinians in Prophecy?

The prophecy of Ephraim becoming a company of nations is contingent on obedience (Genesis 48:15-20 RSV).

Jacob’s blessing clearly states he and his fathers “walked” before God (v15). The Hebrew text concerning the angel reads, “may he bless.” What would happen if Joseph’s children didn’t walk as Jacob? In verse 16, Jacob says, “let my name be perpetuated”, and “let them grow into a multitude.” If the blessing was guaranteed, Jacob would have said “my name will be perpetuated,” and “they will grow into a multitude.”

The actual blessing takes priority over verse 19, where Jacob says Ephraim will become a company of nations. Verse 19 was Jacob’s explanation to Joseph why he placed his right hand on Ephraim. It probably reflected his true desire for Joseph’s children, but it was not part of the blessing.

Note how Zechariah 10 makes no mention of Joseph’s children being a company of nations. Nor does it say the house of Joseph would be great. It only states they will be numerous. This supports the idea that the blessing was contingent on obedience.

(If you have a concordance, just look up Ephraim. You’ll find many unflattering prophecies concerning Ephraim: Isaiah 9:9,21 11:13 28:1,3 Jeremiah 31:20 Hosea 4:47 7:8,11 9:3,11. If the blessing in Genesis 48:15-20 was guaranteed, it would not fit any of these verses. The Bible would not make any sense.)

This is not to say Jacob’s entire blessing came to nothing. In Genesis 49:26, we see that some aspects of what he said would come true.

The Palestinians currently have their own diaspora just like the Jews. Most of them are in the Middle East. Half of the kingdom of Jordan is Palestinian. (Palestine and Jordan used to be Transjordan.) There are sizeable communities/refugee camps in Egypt, Lebanon and Iraq. Zechariah 10:10 mentions these areas specifically. This prophecy only mentions the house of Joseph being numerous.

The prophecy in Zechariah is definite. Whether Ephraim and Manasseh are obedient or not does not change this prophecy. God will bring them back. This prophecy is still in the process of being fulfilled.

————Original Message————-
From: Hanok [mailto:…@jewsandjoes.com]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:41 PM
To: ‘Jerry Chin’
Subject: RE: [RE]Israel and the Palestinians in Prophecy?

Yes indeed. The Prophets were unflattering to the House of Joseph… and deservedly so, but almost always, it is followed up with statements of compassion. The scroll of Hosea is one of the best examples of this. In the very first chapter, it clearly says they would be punished and scattered, but then in their exile they would become as numerous as the “sand of the sea”. Have you not read verses such as this? Where were the conditions there Sir Jerry?

The promise of multitudes was first given to Abraham, was it not? And was it conditional? And if it wasn’t conditional, then who are his promised multitudes? And what multitude could be his who walked perfectly in his way of righteousness? There isn’t any Jerry. House of Joseph has suffered miserably because of their evil, but yet they have multiplied not on their own account but on the account of Abraham’s righteousness.

Genesis 48:15-16 references the righteousness of Abraham and Isaac, thus the unconditional future promises to them that their seed would become a great multitude. You’re doing a lot of theological gymnastics to come upon your “conditional” conclusion. The promises to Abraham (Gen.35:11) and Isaac (Gen.22:17) were NOT contingent upon their seed being righteous. Ephraim simply inherited their unconditional promises. If Ephraim didn’t, then who did… since Abraham and Isaac had no conditions attached to their respective promises? Besides, why would Flavius Josephus reference the ten tribes of Israel in the 1st Century CE as being an immense multitude east of the Euphrates if they weren’t so?

Mildly sizable Palestinian populations in Jordan, Egypt, and Iraq do not fit with the ingathering prophecies … where they are regarded as being at the four corners of the earth (besides, why are you referencing so-called large populations in the Middle East when you already said the Ephraimite promise was “conditional”?).

I do not at all doubt the Palestinian people have Joseph, Judah, Ishmael, Canaan and who knows what else mixed in their gene pool. But to diminish the promise given to Ephraim is to unwittingly call YHVH, the Creator of the Universe, a liar. You would do well to reconsider that suggestion.

-Hanok
JewsAndJoes.com

————Original Message————-
From: R J Chin [mailto:…@accessv.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:41 AM
To: …@jewsandjoes.com
Subject: re: Palestinians as Israel

Sorry for the long time taken to reply. I seem to have email problems.

Did Ephraim really inherit Jacob’s blessing? You can’t assume he did just because it was Jacob’s wish. Abraham was perfectly happy to have two sons until Sarah insisted on Isaac. God later confirmed her decision. Isaac was going to bless Esau (not Jacob), but Rebekah intervened. It was only much later that an angel confirmed Isaac’s reluctant blessing of Jacob. Just as it was not up to Abraham or Isaac, so it was not up to Jacob. It was up to God’s sovereign will. And in this case there is no evidence God confirmed Jacob’s blessing of Ephraim.

You mention Josephus stating that Israel was numerous north east of the Euphrates. You’re not the first. Others have proposed the theory of Israel moving north and on into Europe. Of course the Europeans colonized and gave birth to many nations throughout the world. Thus it was claimed that either Britain or the USA was Ephraim. The current peoples of Europe all came out of the Siberian plateau. This is the land of Gog and Magog. I don’t think it wise to label anyone from this region as any part of Israel. Besides, Hosea 5:13, 7:11, 9:3, 11:5 and 11:11 all associate Ephraim with Assyria and Egypt in the Middle East. How do you explain these verses?

God did not promise Abraham that each generation of his descendants would be more numerous than the last. He promised an uncountable number of descendants as a whole. Abraham’s family line was never going to end, and thus his descendants would be uncountable. God’s promise did not guarantee that any of these generations would be extraordinarily numerous. Descendants numbering like the “sand of the sea” may not be as numerous as you think. Israel in King Solomon’s time was already said to be like the “sand” of the sea (1 Kings 4:20, 29). At that time, Israel probably numbered no more than 10 million.

Deuteronomy 4:27, and Isaiah 10:22 clearly state there will not be a massive return of exiles. Revelation 7:4 raises the possibility only 144000 from all the tribes will be accepted by God at the end. How do you reconcile your ideas with this?

You claim God’s promises to Abraham were unconditional. Isn’t circumcision a condition (Genesis 7:10)? What do you think the word “covenant” means? How do you explain the entire book of Deuteronomy? Deuteronomy 28:62 and Isaiah 48:17 clearly give the “conditions” necessary for God to make Abraham’s descendants like the “sand of the sea.”

I’m afraid you’re the one really out on a limb, stretching Abraham’s righteousness like a magic charm to support a blessing to Ephraim that never took place. (Abraham’s belief that God would do as He said, was “reckoned as righteous.” This is very different from saying Abraham himself was righteous.) Good luck trying to reconcile your ideas to the verses above, and to all parts of the Bible.

Jerry

————Original Message————-
From: Hanok [mailto:…@jewsandjoes.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:04 AM
To: ‘R J Chin’
Subject: RE: Palestinians as Israel

Fundamentally, we aren’t going to see eye to eye because you are arguing from the premise that the Palestinians are Israelites, while I’m arguing from the premise that Israel became the “fullness of the nations”(Genesis 48:19). I believe history, prophecy, and genetics all confirm my premise. If you like to see how genetics is confirming it, check it out here: Israelite and Noahic Haplogroup Hypotheses

Even so, I’d like to make an attempt to respond to your last email, particularly where you wish me “luck” in reconciling my ideas with all parts of the Bible:

1. The Almighty confirmed Ephraim inherited Jacob’s promise of “multitudes” through the Prophet Hosea, Isaiah, and others.

Isaiah 54:3: “For you shall break forth to the right and to the left, and your seed inherit the nations, and make the deserted cities inhabited.”

Hosea 1:10: “Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which is not measured nor counted. And it shall be in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not My people,’ they shall be called, ‘You are the sons of the living El.’”

2. You refer to Flavius Josephus as if he was some trivial historical source… which is interesting since most scholars who study the 1st century have high regards for what he recorded, being one of the most prominent sources of information from that period. He said Israel became a vast multitude in the same regions Assyria deported them to, yet you turn a blind-arrogant eye to what he said… even though it confirms what the Prophets said would come of Israel.

3. You assume the Europeans came out of the Siberian plateau based upon who knows what. Yet, genetics has confirmed they came to Europe via the Middle East and the Caucasus/Caspian (the region of the Medes to which the Assyrians deported Israel). Many of the Hebrew Prophets indicate Jacob would return from the north country (Zechariah 2:6) and from all the places YHVH scattered them (Isaiah 43:6; Jeremiah 31:8). Gog and Magog are also in the north country. This shouldn’t be alarming since Genesis confirms Japheth would dwell in the tents of Shem (Genesis 9:27). Hosea being commanded to marry a woman named “Gomer” is also a picture of Israelites and Japhetic peoples mixing in some fashion.

4. You’re right, the Most High “did not promise Abraham that each generation of his descendants would be more numerous than the last.” At least not in those words. But He did promise to Abraham that he would be a “father of many nations” (Genesis 17:5)… albeit… the promise was given in the Hebrew language and the English translation is remarkably true to the original text. Yet, you can and likely will interpret that to fit your Palestinian premise. But I’m going to interpret it as this: Abraham is going to be a “father of many nations”. I’ve documented a long list of the scriptural multitude promises here: The Birthright Promise of Multitudes in Scripture.

5. 10 million Israelites in King Solomon’s day? I’m not sure where you’re getting that number from, but let us assume you’re approximately correct. What can Exponential Population Growth do with 10 million Israelites after 3,000 years? I can tell you one thing: the meager Palestinian population doesn’t represent it!!!!! See my article here: Exponential Human Population Growth from Noah. You are either blind to the power of exponents or willfully ignorant of them. Also, your referencing 1Kings 4:20 (sands of the sea shore) doesn’t diminish the Prophecy of Hosea… but instead, it actually lends even greater credibility to what Israel has become over the last 3000 years sense.

6. I have not said there will be massive return of the House of Joseph to the Land. I’ve only verified that they themselves have become a multitude just as the Torah and Prophets said they would. There is no doubt in my mind that only a remnant will return to the Land of Israel, namely because that is what the Prophets indicate (i.e. Jeremiah 31:7). And I suspect even that remnant is going to shock the socks off of all the “theological gymnasts” like yourself… because even a remnant of the House of Joseph is going to cause them to cry out for more room when they return to the Land of Israel.

Isaiah 49:20 “The children of whom you were bereaved will yet say in your ears, ‘The place is too cramped for me; Make room for me that I may live here.”

Note: The Palestinians don’t need more room in Israel. They just want the Jews to be gone. They only crowd in to under-capacity cities in the Gaza. There is plenty of room yet in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon where the bulk of their populations dwell.

7. Assyria’s capital was east of the Euphrates and east of the Euphrates is the location of most of the deportations. Yet, most of the Palestinians have no historical evidence of returning from Assyria. Maybe you’re getting confused with modern nation of Syria which is west of the Euphrates.

8. Now lets look at your Hosea references:

Hosea 5:13 When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah saw his wound, then went Ephraim to the Assyrian, and sent to king Jareb: yet could he not heal you, nor cure you of your wound.

Ephraim was deported to Assyria. No one is arguing about that. But this reference is to their call for alliance and help. Not deportation yet.

Hosea 7:11 Ephraim also is like a silly dove without heart: they call to Egypt, they go to Assyria.

The Northern Kingdom called for the help of their old ally Egypt (Egypt and Phoenicia were allied with King David) when the King of Israel reneged on his promised financial tributes to the Assyrian king. As punishment, Assyria swiftly invaded and deported the first lot to “Assyria”, hence Hosea says “they go to Assyria”. It doesn’t say they went to Egypt in deportation… ONLY that they called for their help to fight against Assyria. Egypt didn’t nor could help at that stage.

Hosea 9:3 They shall not dwell in the LORD’S land; but Ephraim shall return to Egypt, and they shall eat unclean things in Assyria.

The word “Egypt” here is translated from the Hebrew “Mitrayim” meaning “tribulation”… which is what Israel experienced in Egypt on the first go round. The prophets indicate the next Exodus will be so great it will cause us to forget the first Exodus out of Egypt, meaning it will be much larger than your ridiculous Israelite attribution to the Palestinian people (Jeremiah 23:7-8).

Hosea 11:5 He shall not return into the land of Egypt, but the Assyrian shall be his king, because they refused to return.
Hosea 11:11 They shall tremble as a bird out of Egypt, and as a dove out of the land of Assyria: and I will place them in their houses, saith the LORD.

Verse 5 actually says Israel WON’T return to Egypt but instead to Assyria… which is the historical reality. Then verse 11 apparently contradicts verse 5 by saying Israel will come out of Egypt. This apparent contradiction is unraveled when considered with what I said earlier about “Mitrayim” connected to “Tribulation”… which makes even more sense when you consider verse eleven speaks of “trembling as a bird” out of Egypt… which is referencing “Jacob’s Trouble” (Jeremiah 30:1-11) during the period Christians call “the Tribulation”.

9. And regarding your tirade regarding the “promise of multitudes” being contingent or conditioned on Israel needing to keep the Torah covenant. When you consider the verses surrounding the promises of multitudes, you don’t find any conditions connected to the promise. And the fact that Hosea (mainly chapter 1), first showing the Northern Kingdom being punished and exiled because of their breaking of the covenant, and yet then still receiving the binding and unconditional promise of: “Will be like the sand of the sea, Which cannot be measured or numbered”

Theological gymnastics of the most bizarre.

-Hanok

The Parthian Empire, hidden from our eyes?

Watch the video below and then notice how it jumps from the Roman Empire, to the Byzantine Empire, and then to the Sassanid (Second Persian) Empire. Hmmm… what happened to the Parthian Empire? Not mentioning Parthia at the same time as the rise and fall of the Roman Empire is like discussing the history of the Soviet Union without mentioning the United States of America. It is a deceptively unbalanced portrayal of ancient history.

My question is why? Why do historians so frequently brush over Parthia like it was a little blimp on the radar just before the Persians regained control over the region. PEOPLE, the Parthian Empire existed for almost 500 years!!!! And the Romans and Parthians kicked the tar out of each other on numerous occasions. Neither were ever able to cross the Euphrates River and hold the other’s territory for any enduring period. Why the censorship of Parthia?

Flavius Josephus is the key!

According to Flavius Josephus: “…the entire body of the people of Israel remained in that country; wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond Euphrates till now [Parthia], and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers.” -Flavius Josephus: “…the entire body of the people of Israel remained in that country; wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond Euphrates till now [Parthia], and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers.” -Antiquities of the Jews (Book X Ch.9)

Parthia is dismissed and/or diminished in history not only because we live in a Roman-centric dominated world, but also because the Parthian Empire was made up of Israelite populations from those taken captive to the same region by the Assyrians several hundred years prior.

Steven Collin’s book Parthia: The Forgotten Ancient Superpower is well worth the read.

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