there for everyone in the arab world are linked to avraham.
and since in the Jewish religion we always go by the mom, issac was the first true jew and Aaron is a descended from Issac , so far so good i hope.

from 12 tribes not 10 we have Canaan, those 12 tribes are represent by jacob 12 kids (in order of birth), Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin and yes joseph had to sons Mannasseh and Ephraim but lets stick to those one so we wont have Neyo Hanok ester scroll.

Now those tribes had flee canaan and scattered all over africa of today and europe as we know it , so you will find many non jews that carry the same Y chromosome that you hanok have mentioned, In black and white . as I fact anyone who live or has lived in canaan of the time wont be white and that that to location of the origin and the way the sun shine there ( which is 85% of the year if not even more ) so they with time would become darker skin people.

As for the Khazar empire im sure we can link them to avraham blood line but keep in mind we jewish people go by the mom . example :

Buggatti car is made from parts from England, Germany, Switzerland on a France land. and the car is not considered German ( even though VW own it) it considered France. same goes for jews

all we know Is for fact that ashkenazi jews were formed for the first time around the 10 century . before that they weren’t any askenazi people at all not to mention ashkenazi jews!!!

So for the first question that ignited this whole pasha , original jews are darker skin and were mostly dark hair and eyes.

and neyo—- yehusa/jesus is not the messiah ,cause if he was, according to the Jewish religion all the dead will be alive and gogo magog had happened already.

and as far as my credentials , from the same scholars that have been mentioned here from both sides of the scale from the Jewish side and from the non Jewish side . anyone that can be verified with more then 3 sources at his time of writing, since we know that history is writing by the hands of the winners .

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I too appreciate your input. Please check out the following links:

https://wakeupisraelites.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/isnt-being-in-the-messiah-the-only-thing-that-matters/

https://wakeupisraelites.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/what-difference-does-it-make/

Yahuah bless.

I’m curious about your view on this: Did St Paul make a new commandment, forbidding us from reading and discussing the genealogies detailed within the Torah?

But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. – (Heb 11:6)

The only reason why we had a chosen people was not by genetics, but by action, and that action was faith. The covenant was made to Abraham and his descendants due to Abraham’s faith, and his descendants were to follow suit.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (Joh 3:16)

Whoever. This means anybody. Whether white, black, green, purple. If you believe you will be saved.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. – (Ga 3:28-29)

For those of us who believe in Christ (Yeshua) then we are all indeed Abraham’s seed, because just as Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son, God did it for us, so we all can have an opportunity to eternal life.

And lastly:

But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless. – (Tit 3:9)

My brothers and sisters, these disputes of genealogies are foolish. I know the forum started with “Black Hebrews MORE original than Ashkenazi Jews?” But there should be a bottom line. Does it matter? Many of you stated that Jesus is your Messiah. Do you think this mattered to Him, or the condition of your soul?

So if some feel that Blacks are the original Hebrews; Let them. If some Whites feel that they are the original Hebrews; Let them. God could could care less because He could raise stones to be the true descendants of Abraham. It is good to know history, but now let’s learn and live how God wants us to live under the new covenant in Christ Jesus. Amen?

I perceive that you are an older man, and I am but a youth ( 41 years old ), so I will not rebuke you, but rather entreat you as a father. Please allow me to address the latter part of your last post:

“Perhaps I’m missing your point. Are you really saying that it’s not fair that BHI’s should have to prove they are descendant from Israel, but the Jew’s don’t? If that is it, then I apologize for thinking you are evil, you are just being obnoxious. Regardless, show me the evidence, even though it’s unfair.”

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that perhaps you were being a bit facetious, for if you are a true seeker of truth, then surely you would want fairness and righteous judgment in all things.

You hit on something that I will expound upon, and that is the levelling of the playing field. It seems as if you and others are saying “Let Yahuah and the Ashenazim be true and everyone else be liars”. Shouldn’t we let Yahuah be true and every man, including the Ashkenazim, me, and you be liars? Shouldn’t we all equally be liars until scripturally proven to be true?

Can we divorce ourselves from our pre-conceived notions, our personal prejudices, and our indoctrination from the media, Hollywood, the public schools, the churches, etc., and let us all start out on a level playing field? Can we equally say to the “Black Hebrews”, the Ashkenazim, the Sephardim, the Brit-Ams, the Two-Housers, and whoever, that “you are all liars until proven by scripture to be the true children of Yisrael”?

First, thanks for Shalomming me.
I thought I covered all three of your requirements. My point is that is it is up to you to prove that what we all have believed for centuries is wrong, OR, what you have discovered, is the truth, and do it in a way that makes sense.
I offered an example of BHI Biblical “proof”, and called it “typical”. Do you really believe that black Americans in prison for criminal offences, compares to Jews, men woman and children, being rounded by the hundreds of thousands and put into work, or death camps, by the Nazi’s? Whether you are a Holocaust denier or not, is not important, you can accept at least that many. If you would like a few dozen more examples of this BHI foolishness called “proof,” I can give you that and more.
As far as your hint of racism, as you say “it isn’t about skin color”, that’s because the Israelites have been scattered through out the world, and are in ALL colors now, you seem to have a problem accepting the white ones.
What is your estimation of how many Hebrew Israelites entered southern and western Europe in the last 2,500 years. How many do think were taken from Israel in ships, by the Romans?
Perhaps I’m missing your point. Are you really saying that it’s not fair that BHI’s should have to prove they are descendant from Israel, but the Jew’s don’t? If that is it, then I apologize for thinking you are evil, you are just being obnoxious. Regardless, show me the evidence, even though it’s unfair.
I would also like to retract the “your truth ain’t gittin on nobody” statement, your ‘truth” is gittin’ on a whole bunch of gullible black folks.

PB

Shalom. I believe that you really need to search your heart. You say that you don’t care who the true descendants of Israel are, or what color they are, but when we make our claims which are solidly based upon scripture, you are all over us. Actions speak louder than words.

The truth of the matter is that you do care, and you do have a problem with the so-called “black” slave descendants world-wide claiming to be the true children of Israel. This is why you are so quick to criticize us, yet you write the “Jews” a blank check by not requiring scriptural proof for their claims:

“The curses that the BHI’s refer to, can be stretched to fit some periods in the African American experience, but all fit the Ashkenazim, far better than the slaves of America.

Since there is no verse of Scripture that will clearly define an instant and indisputable proof who is who, then why require Scripture to be presented as proof ?”

ALL fit the Ashkenazim, FAR better than the slaves of America? I see why you want to move away from the scriptures to provide proof, for you conveniently dodged my three scriptural questions that I posed to you earlier.

Answer my three questions above and prove with scripture your claim that the “ALL curses fit the Askenazim FAR better than the slaves of America.”

You are absolutely correct; I am obsessed with this Black Hebrew Israelite thing. Thank you for seeing that, and pointing it out to me. I’ve given it a lot of thought, and have decided that since the stakes are so high, I will remain “obsessed”.
That was very clever of you to assign the responsibility to prove the Jews are the real descendants of Abraham to the “debunkers”, that shouldn’t take more than a lifetime to accomplish. Is that supposed to take the scrutiny off the BHI’s phony doctrine?
As far as proving who the true Israelites are, that’s up to the Most High. There is no severe judgment for the true descendants of Abraham, who claim themselves to be as such. But to those who lead others astray, and claim to be the true Israelites, but are not, there are very bad times ahead at the final judgment. So, all this “debunking” is for your benefit, (or the Jews). It is YOU who must prove your claims. If you have read my blog, http://windstream.me then you must have seen the mountain of so-called “proof” offered by the BHI’s, torn to shreds. As far as the Jews go, (Jew, is ancient Euro for Hebrew Israelite), they have carried the Scripture with them through out history, and have called themselves Jews (or Hebrew Israelites) for a few thousand years, and paid the price for it every inch of the way. I have no reason to doubt the Jews. If the Jews are not the true descendants of Israel, then it’s up to whoever claims to be, (you), to prove it, or who really is, and if your proof is no good, then it too will get “debunked”, for your benefit. Have you ever considered that the reason so many Blacks of America have forgotten who they really are, is that they are not Israelites to begin with?
The curses that the BHI’s refer to, can be stretched to fit some periods in the African American experience, but all fit the Ashkenazim, far better than the slaves of America.
Since there is no verse of Scripture that will clearly define an instant and indisputable proof who is who, then why require Scripture to be presented as proof ?
But we can look at the curses and see whom they best fit, and if you’re going to use such typical examples as: “Blacks represent the majority of the prison population because they are Hebrew Israelites”, (not because of criminal convictions of course), that’s lame, if you can’t do better that, you have already lost any war you are trying to wage.
Personally, I don’t care who the true descendants of Israel are, or what color they are, I have no horse in this race, I am neither Black nor Jew, I’am sitting here on the sidelines, watching it all, and just haaad to butt in. I, like others, am in search of the truth, and your truth ain’t gettin’ on nobody.
Also Hiram, I don’t believe you when you say; “it’s not about color”. Everything is about color with black people.

Respectfully yours, always,ir
PB

I would encourage you to study further into to the ancient cultures. What you will find is that not only were the ancient Egyptians a “black” people ( although not as “black” as the Ethiopians [Jer. 13:23] ), but also the Sumerians/Chaldeans ( ancient Iraqis ), and Elamites ( ancient Iranians ).

Remember that most our images of the whitewashed arabs of the “Middle East” come from the establishment-controlled media. I have heard that in Egypt, whenever the media takes film or pictures, they put the dark-skinned Egyptians in the background so that they cannot be seen. Maybe that is true, maybe it isn’t. I do know, however, that there are researchers who have visited Egypt and confirmed that there are many dark-skinned natives there.

Even in southern Iraq today, there are so-called “black” US soldiers that have reported that there are Iraqis who look just like the so-called “blacks” in America. While some of them were migrants from Africa, and others were descendants of slaves ( Hmmm……. ) brought to that region via the Islamic slave trade of the 7th century CE, there is a remnant of “black” natives in southern Iraq. I have never seen them via the establishment-controlled media, and I probably never will.

So, your question is essentially, “What happened?”. Remember that the so-called “Middle East” ( which was really considered Northeast Africa before the Suez Canal was dug ) and North Africa were dominated by the Greeks and Romans for many centuries. Remember also that our father Noah said that Yapheth would dwell in the tents of Shem. I believe that there is much Yaphethite blood running through the veins of the modern-day arabs and North Africans, which accounts for the whitewashing of which I spoke earlier in this post.

P.S.: Check out my site if you haven’t already, and give me some comments. Shalom.